What graphics card is best for me? How to upgrade for X3?

[CBJ]

Yes, you should do. Though remember that clock speeds are not always a good performance indicator. AMD were the ones who taught the world that, but it is now Intel for whom it is most true since a 2.93GHz C2D leaves a 3.4GHz P4 for dust.

[gunman127]

It's likely you would yes, but an E6600 at 2.4GHz is about the same performance as an AMD 6000.

The difference being that the Intel chip will be a lot cooler, use less power, and could overclock to 3 GHz at the drop of a hat.

If as you say you have a 2GHz AMD, it's probably 939, and so would require a new motherboard and RAM to use an AM2 6000.
The point being, if you have to buy 3 new components, you might as well get the most bang for your buck.
(E6600 is £10 cheaper on average than X2 6000)

[madness 3D]

It's likely you would yes, but an E6600 at 2.4GHz is about the same performance as an AMD 6000.

The difference being that the Intel chip will be a lot cooler, use less power, and could overclock to 3 GHz at the drop of a hat.

If as you say you have a 2GHz AMD, it's probably 939, and so would require a new motherboard and RAM to use an AM2 6000.
The point being, if you have to buy 3 new components, you might as well get the most bang for your buck.
(E6600 is £10 cheaper on average than X2 6000)

Shifty_powers' great knowledge surpasses all of ours

take a peek at this topic ( 3rd post onwards)(VOTE WHILE YOUR THERE)

this mobo is really cool
i've ordered the cpu now
Its on its way (wooo (mini party comences))

oh and everywhere i've looked the core 2 E6000 is WAY more expensive than the 6000+ (£230 compared to £155)

AMD were the ones who taught the world that, but it is now Intel for whom it is most true since a 2.93GHz C2D leaves a 3.4GHz P4 for dust.

Funny the way that that their not advertising the clock speed of the Core 2 CPU's wheras i remember with the P4 it was all
"intel pentium 4 running at 3.6 GHZ with HT tech...)
now its just people dancing

sort of fallen into their own hole. unknowledgeable people would go
"oh look this amd cpu runs at 2 ghz that must make it much worse than this intel one at 3ghz"

More is not always better
unlike
Bigger is not always better

[gunman127]

E6600
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showprodu ... subcat=793
AM2 6000 X2
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showprodu ... subcat=803

I'm trying to flog my E4300 to get an E4400, for some sweet 340 * 10 speed.

[Algoran]

Ok thanks guys, there seems to be no support for C2D for my motherboard so ill be needing a new one, but it looks like C2D is the way to go

[Ruivo]

Hello.. I got a bit misleaded by x3 system requirements at the sysreq sticky.. where it says that with a 128mb vga, 1.7ghz cpu and 512mb i'm able to run the game.. I've been able, yes, to finish the game.. but even though all the lod was set to low, i still got massive loading times between sectors, specially the ones like argon prime, where it takes almost 2 minutes to enter.

I can run X2 with all lod at high (except shadows) with no problems.. I have a Athlon XP 2000+ running at 2.1ghz, 512mb ddr333 and a GF FX5200 128mb 64bit.

I'm going to get a new 6600GT 128mb/128bit, and increase my system memory to 1gb ddr333. And with this i'm pushing my budget as far as i can, so i won't be able to upgrade my cpu, or mobo anytime soon..

My question is, with these upgrades will i be able to play X3 as smoothly as i play X2?

thanks

[CBJ]

Hello.. I got a bit misleaded by x3 system requirements at the sysreq sticky.. where it says that with a 128mb vga, 1.7ghz cpu and 512mb i'm able to run the game.. I've been able, yes, to finish the game.. but even though all the lod was set to low, i still got massive loading times between sectors, specially the ones like argon prime, where it takes almost 2 minutes to enter.

You've not really been misled. Those are the minimum requirements, so you should expect minimum performance with those specifications.

Anyway, the new graphics card will certainly help quite a bit, and the extra memory may smooth out things like sector transitions a bit, but your processor is still going to struggle. I'm afraid your question is impossible to answer, not least because we don't know how smoothly your system runs X2. The processor load in X2 was still pretty heavy, though, so I would say X3 performance probably wouldn't be too far off.

[Ruivo]

Yeah, the CPU runs X2 very smoothly, the only issues with performance i have in X2 is with the memory, the fps drops significantly when i'm fighting multiple enemies, like khaak in heavy systems like argon prime. The CPU also runs games like flight simulator 2004, and World of Warcraft with heavy AI load with an average of 25-30 fps, which is perfect for me.

What i really wanted to know if it's i'm going to get a significant boost in loading times with the memory upgrade, and if i'll be able to run the game with full lod, at a resolution of 1024x768 (max my monitor handles ), and little to no AA and AS, with the 6600GT. Or maybe even a 6800XT 256/256.

thanks

[CBJ]

Yeah, the CPU runs X2 very smoothly, the only issues with performance i have in X2 is with the memory, the fps drops significantly when i'm fighting multiple enemies, like khaak in heavy systems like argon prime.

That has nothing to do with memory. The additional load in those situations are on the processor, graphics card and sound card.

The CPU also runs games like flight simulator 2004, and World of Warcraft with heavy AI load with an average of 25-30 fps, which is perfect for me.

Those games are not running a complete living universe in the background. Performance in other games is completely irrelevant I'm afraid.

What i really wanted to know if it's i'm going to get a significant boost in loading times with the memory upgrade...

It will certainly help if you play for a long time at a single session as with more memory there will be less swapping of data to disk. You won't notice any difference when you first start the game as the data still has to be loaded at least once.

...and if i'll be able to run the game with full lod, at a resolution of 1024x768 (max my monitor handles ), and little to no AA and AS, with the 6600GT.

I don't think you mean LOD as that's automatic. I assume you mean the quality settings, in which case that card will be a big improvement over your FX5200. However I can't guarantee it will be able to handle every maximum settings, nor that it will be smooth in every situation as above a certain point the processor is the bottleneck not the graphics card.

...Or maybe even a 6800XT 256/256.

I wouldn't bother with that card. If you are looking for a step up from the 6600GT then try the 7600GT; it is one generation less out of date and would certainly perform well enough never to be a bottleneck with your current processor.

[Ruivo]

yeah, lod i meant level of detail, or quality settings.. I've done some research on some graphic cards, and basically the best thing i could find that fits my budget is the 6800XT. I've found a 7600GS, but it has 128bit of memory bus and only 540mhz of memory clock, in comparassion with the 256 memory bus and 1ghz of memory clock of the 6800XT i've found.

I'm considering in saving my money for a little while longer to get the 6800XT cuz it has 256bit memory bus, and 256mb of memory, while the 6600GT only has 128bit.

Right now the biggest limitation i have is my mobo, that has no pci-e slot. I'm doing this upgrade right now only so i can play X3, so it's temporary. i'll get a new mobo with an athlon X2 5200 as soon as i get a better paying job so.. no point doing any further upgrades right now

Thanks for the help

[gunman127]

Buy Intel.

Check anywhere, the Core2Duos annihilate AMDs current lineup.

This may mean a new motherboard and RAM too, but that also means you get PCI-E and all the goodies that run in it.

[Ruivo]

From what i can afford, i've planned on getting an Asus m2m sli, with an athlon 64 x2 3800+, 1gb of ddr2 and a Xfx 8600gt 256mb. I'm studying the possibilities of getting all those upgrades, instead of a simple AGP vga upgrate.. it may take longer than i first expected though.. a couple of months at least.

The core2duo is indeed more powerfull than most cpu's that AMD can offer right now.. but that's way out of my budget, even a year from now.

[pjknibbs]

Couple of things there: firstly, if this is a temporary upgrade purely to play X3, getting an X2 is pointless--the game is single threaded and won't take advantage of the second core on an X2. For roughly the same money you could get a single core 3800+ which is actually clocked 20% faster than the dual-core 3800+, and would thus run an app like X3 faster.

Secondly, the difference in price is not as great as you think. An A64 X2 3800+ is about £45. The cheapest Core 2 Duo is the new E2140--clocked at 1.6GHz, that costs just £52. I would guess the performance of the two CPUs would be similar, and the E2140 would give you the advantage of being able to upgrade to a faster Core 2 when you could afford it.

[Vitez]

Hello all!
I finally started to upgrade my PC (not a big upgrade, only for X3 ). So, I bought a 3Ghz processor, and was thinking of buying +1Gb ram. But before I do so, I would like to ask: Will X3 run (relatively) smoothly with this: 3Ghz, 2Gb ram, ATI Radeon 9600 (250mb)? Thank you!

(My current results with the benchmark demo:

Video settings during benchmark:
Screen resolution: 1024 x 768 * [32]
using shader profile: 2.0
Antialias Mode: NONE
Anisotropic Mode: NONE

Graphic & Shader settings
Texture quality: high
Shader quality: high
High quality bumpmaps: enabled
Environment map: enabled
Postprocessing: enabled
using 16bit vertex format: no

Framerates
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Scene 00 13.3 average fps 8.0 minimum fps 20.0 maximum fps
Scene 01 13.4 average fps 3.0 minimum fps 28.0 maximum fps
Scene 02 15.4 average fps 10.0 minimum fps 25.0 maximum fps
Scene 03 18.0 average fps 6.0 minimum fps 50.0 maximum fps

Overall average framerate: 15.0 fps

and

Video settings during benchmark:
Screen resolution: 1024 x 768 * [32]
using shader profile: 1.1
Antialias Mode: NONE
Anisotropic Mode: NONE

Graphic & Shader settings
Texture quality: medium
Shader quality: low
High quality bumpmaps: disabled
Environment map: disabled
Postprocessing: disabled
using 16bit vertex format: no

Framerates
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Scene 00 23.6 average fps 20.0 minimum fps 34.0 maximum fps
Scene 01 15.1 average fps 7.0 minimum fps 30.0 maximum fps
Scene 02 27.0 average fps 17.0 minimum fps 36.0 maximum fps
Scene 03 31.3 average fps 19.0 minimum fps 57.0 maximum fps

Overall average framerate: 24.2 fps
)

[CBJ]

Adding extra memory probably won't make much difference as your graphics card is more likely to be a limiting factor than memory.

While you are here, please shorten your signature as it exceeds the number of lines allowed by the forum rules.

[Vitez]

Adding extra memory probably won't make much difference as your graphics card is more likely to be a limiting factor than memory.

May I ask what do you recomend? (Something not to expensive)?

[CBJ]

You presumably have an AGP slot, so I suggest something like a Radeon X1950Pro or, if you can't afford that, then perhaps a GeForce 7600GT. Either way you'll still be one generation behind the latest cards but two generations newer than the one you currently have.

[The Wolf]

I agree. Before I upgraded to a 512 mb sapphire x1950 pro, I had an old 128 mb Radeon 9600 pro in this system. The rest of my computer is probably somewhat comparable to yours. (3.0C GHz p4, 1.5gb PC3200 ram, audigy 2 soundcard)

I'm not sure how much of a jump there is between the 128mb and 256mb variants of the 9600, but I did notice a large jump in graphics performance afterwards.
Where I used to run oblivion in mid to low detail @ either 800x600 or 1024x768 on a 19" CRT, I can now run it at max @ 1920x1200 on a 24" LCD

As for X3, not sure what the benchmarking would say as the option is greyed out, but I'm currently running it at max without any major issues. With World in conflict's benchmark test though:

Resolution: 1920*1200
Detail Level: High
Average fps: 10
Min fps: 5
Max fps: 24
TotalFrames: 602
I'm sure i'll be doing a little graphics tweaking with that game once I get further than the first couple of missions.

Depending on your budget, the x1950 is $172.99 USD on www.newegg.com

[Vitez]

Uhmmm. I was searching a bit and (since I don't know too much), I would like to ask that is the ATI Radeon X1650 (450MHz, 512MB DDR3 1300MHz, 128-bit, 8X AGP) close to the sapphire x1950 (the x1650 costs half as much as the x1950)? Or, in other words: will X3 run good with full graphics with it?
Thanks!

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[pjknibbs]

Depends how you define "close". Most of the benchmarks seem to show the 1950 being around 50%-100% faster than the 1650, but I can't find one specifically comparing how X3 performs between those two cards.